Episode 29 – Death Comes to Time and the Minister of Chance – Dan Freeman Interview

In this episode we’ll be looking at the music in the BBCi production of Doctor Who – Death Comes to Time and the Minister of Chance with Director Dan Freeman. In this episode we’ll be exploring the use of stock and production music in Death Comes to Time as well as a preview of the new production The Minister of Chance. This interview was recorded the 20th of June, 2011.


GERMAN TEXTS READ BY GRAEME SHERIDAN OF THE 2ND DOCTOR’S PODCAST AND THE PROFESSOR HOW DOCTOR WHO PARODY PODCAST: Available on iTunes and on Talkshoe ID’s 57949 for The2ndDoctors Podcast and 59601 for Professor How

RUSSIAN TEXTS READ BY GERIK FON-REVUTZKY AND IAN BISSET OF THE CULTDOM COLLECTIVE PODCAST: Available on iTunes and on Talkshoe ID 54821 for The Cultdom Collective Podcast



Wagner – Siegfried Trauermarsch from Act 3 of Götterdämmerung from his Der Ring des Nibelungen (The Ring of the Nibelung) – http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Siegfrieds_funeral_march_and_finale.ogg
The United States Marine Corps Band, recorded December 8–11, 1981 at Lisner Auditorium, George Washington University, Washington, DC, funeral march transcribed by Howard Bowlin and finale transcribed by John Bourgeois, who was the Band Director.

Antonín Dvořák – Symphony No.9 – IV. Allegro con fuoco –
Non-Commercial Recording – Performance by Columbia University Orchestra (http://www.columbia.edu/cu/cuo/)

Mussorgsky – Night on Bald Mountain Вечер накануне Ивана Купала, Vecher nakanune Ivana Kupala, St. John’s Eve
Performed by the Skidmore College Orchestra. Courtesy of Musopen

Wagner – Vorspiel to Act I of Tristan und Isolde – http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Richard_Wagner_-_Tristan_und_Isolde_-_Vorspiel.ogg
Simon Schindler Conducting the Fulda Symphonic Orchestra, Recorded March 9, 2004 at Grosser Saal der Orangerie Fulda.

Mahler – Symphony No.1 – I. Langsam, Schleppend Immer sehr gemächlich –
This rendition of Mahler Symphony No.1 was created by the Wikimedia user Reinholdbehringer on June 15, 2010

ABOUT YOUR HOSTS – DR. LOU: I am an Associate Professor of Musicology at the University of Nevada, Reno, where I write about and teach classes on avant-garde and popular music of the post-war era, focusing on musics that bridge the categories of high and low culture in society through media technology. In other words, I write about pretty music made on complicated equipment used in television and radio. Most of my stuff tends to be about music in the UK, although I have also written about American science fiction. My most recent publication is a history of the BBC’s electronic music studio, the Radiophonic Workshop, for Oxford University Press. Before becoming chair of the music department in Reno, I taught classes about television music, film music, music and gender, and popular music, as well as the more standard classical music history courses. After getting my undergraduate degree in singing from the University of Iowa, I spent a few hazy years bartending in nightclubs, listening to lots of dance music, and traveling as much as possible to England. Eventually, I decided I needed a career and did a Masters degree in musicology at the University of Texas at Austin, writing a thesis on music in Doctor Who. After that I moved to Los Angeles and did a PhD at UCLA in musicology, studying with Susan McClary and Philip Brett, among other amazing scholars. At UCLA I wrote what would become the first half of my Radiophonic history as my dissertation.
I also, like Dr. Phil, am a performer of early music. But unlike him, for me it is purely a dilettante pursuit. I have sung early music since 1989, and at UCLA was the director of their early music ensemble, Musica Humana. Upon moving to Reno, I founded REM (Reno Early Music), Reno’s premiere early music group. Actually, we are Reno’s only early music group. But it’s fun. I also run the Reno Time Team, a local group making our way through all of classic Doctor Who. For more information on Louis Niebur, visithttp://www.unr.edu/cla/music/pages/bios/niebur.htm, and for information on Reno Early Music, visit http://wolfweb.unr.edu/homepage/boardman/music_REM.htm. For more information on Special Sound: The Creation and Legacy of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop, visit http://www.unr.edu/cla/music/publications/special_sound.htm.

ABOUT YOUR HOSTS – DR. PHILL: My name is Dr. Phillip Serna – you can call me Dr. Phill as many of my colleagues, friends and students do. I’m a performer and teacher here in the Chicago area where I received my Master & Doctoral degrees in Music at Northwestern University. On double bass I perform solo, chamber, orchestral and contemporary literature. I am also a performer of Early Music on viols – or violas da gamba – a family of bowed guitars that were popular in Europe from the 15th through the late 18th centuries.

On double bass, I perform with many ensembles including the Southwest Michigan Symphony Orchestra, Illinois Philharmonic Orchestra, Illinois Symphony Orchestra, New Philharmonic Orchestra, Northbrook Symphony Orchestra, the Northshore Camerata, Wisconsin Chamber Orchestra, Memphis Symphony Orchestra, and many others. In Early Music, I regularly perform on violas da gamba (treble viol, tenor viol and bass viol), period double bass/ violone and vielle with modern orchestras such as the Concord Chamber Orchestra and the Fort Wayne Philharmonic, as well as with period instrument ensembles such as Ars Antigua, the Bach Collegium of Fort Wayne, the Callipygian Players, the Chicago Early Music Consort, Duo fantaisie en Echo, the Madison Bach Musicians, the Newberry Consort, the Oriana Singers, the Second City Musick, the Spirit of Gambo – a Chicago Consort of Viols, the Third Coast Viols and many others. In performance, I’ve appeared on Chicago’s 98.7FM WFMT, Wisconsin Public Radio and Milwaukee Public Radio. My Early Music Outreach program ‘Viols in Our Schools’ was the recipient of the 2010 Early Music America Outreach Award, which honors ensembles or individual artists for excellence in early music outreach and/or educational projects for children or adults. For more information, visit http://www.violsinourschools.org/About.html or http://www.phillipwserna.com/.

NOTE: The analysis portion of this episode aired on THE FLASHING BLADE PODCAST on Saturday, 16 July, 2011 – http://flashingblade.libsyn.com/the-flashing-blade-podcast-1-101 The interview portion of this episode aired as the 13th podcast forTHE DOCTOR WHO PODCAST ALLIANCE on the following shows: THE STAGGERNG STORIES PODCAST on Friday, 26 August, 2011 – http://blog.staggeringstories.net/?p=1339 THE FLASHING BLADE PODCAST on Saturday, 27 August, 2011 – http://flashingblade.libsyn.com/the-flashing-blade-podcast-1-107 & THE DWO WHOCAST FOR DOCTOR WHO ONLINE on Wednesday, 1 September 2011 – http://dwowhocast.libsyn.com/dwpa-interview-with-dan-freeman-doctor-who-podcast


Death Comes to Time – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_comes_to_time

Films Mentioned – Excalibur (1981) – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excalibur_(film)
Films Mentioned – Fantasia (1941) – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasia_(film)

Historical Events Mentioned – Revolutions of 1848 – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1848_Revolutions
Historical Literature Mentioned – Nibelungenlied – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibelungenlied
Historical Literature Mentioned – Norse Mythology – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_Mythology

People Mentioned – Sophie Aldred – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Aldred
People Mentioned – Stephen Fry – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Fry
People Mentioned – Sylvester McCoy – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_McCoy
People Mentioned – John Sessions – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sessions

Composers Mentioned – Antonín Dvořák – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton%C3%ADn_Dvo%C5%99%C3%A1k
Composers Mentioned – Modest Mussorgsky – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modest_Mussorgsky
Bedřich Smetana – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bed%C5%99ich_Smetana
Composers Mentioned – Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Rimsky-Korsakov
Composers Mentioned – Leopold Stokowski – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_Stokowski
Composers Mentioned – Richard Wagner – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wagner

Pieces Mentioned – Antonín Dvořák – Symphony No.9 – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._9_(Dvo%C5%99%C3%A1k)
Pieces Mentioned – Bedřich Smetana – Z českých luhů a hájů (IV. From Bohemian fields and groves) from Má vlast – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Vlast
Pieces Mentioned – Modest Mussorgsky – The Fair at Sorochyntsi – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fair_at_Sorochyntsi
Pieces Mentioned – Modest Mussorgsky – Night on Bald Mountain Вечер накануне Ивана Купала, Vecher nakanune Ivana Kupala, St. John’s Eve – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_on_Bald_Mountain
Pieces Mentioned – Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov – Sadko – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadko
Pieces Mentioned – Richard Wagner – Das Rheingold (The Rhine Gold) – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Rheingold
Pieces Mentioned – Richard Wagner – Die Walküre (The Valkyrie) – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Walk%C3%BCre
Pieces Mentioned – Richard Wagner – Siegfried – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_(opera)
Pieces Mentioned – Richard Wagner – Götterdämmerung (Twilight of the Gods) – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6tterd%C3%A4mmerung
Pieces Mentioned – Richard Wagner – Siegfried Trauermarsch from Act 3 of Götterdämmerung – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6tterd%C3%A4mmerung
Pieces Mentioned – Richard Wagner – Ring of the Nibelung – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Ring_des_Nibelungen

Concepts Mentioned – Consonance & Dissonance – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consonance_and_dissonance
Concepts Mentioned – The Five or The Mighty Handful – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five
Concepts Mentioned – Leitmotif – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitmotif
Concepts Mentioned – Musical Nationalism – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_nationalism
Concepts Mentioned – Orchestration – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchestration

Death Comes to Time was released on triple CD (ISBN: 0 563 52823 0) and MP3-CD (ISBN: 0 563 52367 0) as part of the BBC Radio Collection.


CD – http://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Who-Death-Original-Full-Cast/dp/0563528230/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1308701098&sr=8-3

Download – http://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Who-Death-Comes-Time/dp/B0007OB5ZI/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_3


CD – http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Death-Comes-Radio-Collection/dp/0563528230/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308757532&sr=8-1

MP3 CD – http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Death-Comes-Time-Dramatisation/dp/0563523670/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1308757532&sr=8-2

Download – http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Who-Death-Comes-Time/dp/B002SQ1QL6/ref=tmm_aud_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1308757532&sr=8-2


Download – http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAudiobook?id=42655528&s=143441

The Minister of Chance is available for Download through iTunes:

The Minister of Chance – Trailer and Prelude – http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-minister-of-chance/id421741567
The Minister of Chance – Episode 1 – The Broken World – http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/the-minister-chance-episode/id433137681
The Minister of Chance – Episode 2 – The Forest Shakes – http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/the-minister-chance-episode/id437385455


The Minister of Chance – Trailer – http://www.ministerofchance.com/downloads/www.ministerofchance.com%20Trailer.mp3
The Minister of Chance – Prelude – http://www.ministerofchance.com/downloads/www.ministerofchance.com%20Prologue.mp3
The Minister of Chance – Episode 1 – The Broken World – https://www.e-junkie.com/ecom/gb.php?i=S01E01Vn1&c=cart&cl=157070
The Minister of Chance – Episode 2 – The Forest Shakes – https://www.e-junkie.com/ecom/gb.php?c=cart&i=936753&cl=157070

“Ambitious and innovative…excellent production that creates vivid, evocative soundscapes that drive forward the mood and suspense….gripping.”

Elisabeth Mahoney The Guardian

“…terrific…put me in mind somehow of Iain M Banks’ science fiction. The acting was great… a wonderful cast…the production values were inventive and pin-sharp.”

Warren Ellis Writer, The Authority / Planetary / Red

“…is there even a way to begin describing the quality of the soundtrack? Every review of The Minister of Chance works out the same: it’s fantastic… the actors are brilliant…the story is gripping…this pioneering radiophonic drama has us spellbound.”

10th Planet, Life the Universe and…

You can find out more about the Minister of Chance at http://www.ministerofchance.com/.


If you would like to find out more about my other projects, specifically on viols, please visit thegambacast.org or violsinourschools.org.


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